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Joe P Forte posted about Zirconia and Cercon® ht
Opinions?? Who has the most esthetic full contour Zirconia? We're using Dentsply's HT and if you adjust...(more)
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Joe P Forte · Owner
In your opinion, who has the best CAD/CAM support and training?
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Joe P Forte · Owner
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Joe P Forte · Owner
Does anyone have suggestions/perspectives on different Flexible Partial Systems? Looking to get into that and wanted some opinions.....Thanks!
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Joe P Forte · Owner
Have any other lab owners out there told their dentists about the 2.3% excise tax? Do you think it's something we should tell our dentists yet? Wondering also who of you out there will "eat" the tax, and who will pass it on?
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Jim Thacker · Vice President
Assuming it actually happens, I'm totally passing it along as an invoice line item. I would say nothing about it until after the election and/or Thanksgiving.
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Nick Azar · Managing Director
To my understanding, the FDA ruling does not mandate your charge the 2.3% Excise Medical Devise Tax (EMDT), however, it does mandate that you pay it.
Many of my clients are split 50/50, half will be passing the tax on to their clients while others will absorb it. I guess it depends on how much you are charging for the dental prosthesis. -
Jim Thacker · Vice President
I have yet to see a valid argument for absorbing the tax (without a price increase) regardless of the lab's fee level. Its a TAX to the dentist, not an expense. For those who are lower priced, charging a line item is best because it allows the published price of restorations to stay lower. For anyone else, it shows the dentist that the lab is compliant with the law and increases their perceived integrity....See more
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Joe P Forte · Owner
Thanks for the responses - an interesting issue to be sure. We are definitely going to pass it on to the dentists - but not sure how they're going to respond to it! Can't see a justification for eating it as we don't need something else eating into the profit margin!
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Mark Jackson, RDT · Owner
I spoke to a study club of about 100 dentists last night and when I brought this up, there was a collective sigh in the room. Then a complete sidebar took place. They had no idea this was coming. Nick is right. We have to pay the Tax, but how we decide to collect it is up to us. Glidewell told me they will just eat it, while other plan on adding a line item to their invoice. Dentists hate to be nickled...See more
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Dan And Sharon Muir · Owners
We are going to wait and see what happens also before we decide whether to pass the 2.3% onto our clients.
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Allen Louden, CDT · Owner
Why in the world would anyone eat this tax. As I see it it is no different than sales tax. I will pass it on.
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Judy Harbaugh · President
I have already talked to one of my clients about this tax. He has an in office Cerec system & Patterson did not tell him word one about how this tax will affect him. I will wait a little longer before telling my other dentist clients. If we must pay into this new tax, I as a small lab, will have to pass it on to my clients. I am still on the fence about my price increase that I had planned for...See more
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David Nunnally, CDT ·
Joe, The only items that will be taxed are appliances that have a FDA code number. Sleep appliances, implant abutments and off shore resterations have a FDA code. Crowns, bridges, dentures and so on will not be taxed. Several of our materials used to fabricate dental restorations have a FDA code and will effect us on our price of alloy, acrylic, Zirconia and on and on. Not good news but better than...See more
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Eve Williford ·
Can anyone post a link to documentation for the tax? IRS 720 does not have a reference for this yet. Thanks.
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Ann Kim · Dental Tech
About the Excise Tax, an IRS agent told me to read IRS Regulation 4191(a). She said it is about 41 pages long. She also said there is an uncertainty and there may be an announcement in 2013 about it.
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David Nunnally, CDT ·
From what I hear, the excise tax goes into effect January 1, 2013. I hope the IRS makes it clear to us what effect it will have on dental labs soon.
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Joe P Forte · Owner
Is anyone pressing Emax with an Optimal Autopress furnace, and if so, do you have any suggestions on pressing programs. Also, does anyone out there have suggestions on pressing furnaces expressly for Emax (other than the Ivoclar ovens - cost prohibitive).
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Alwyn Naraine, CDT · Manager/ Ceramist
Hi Joe, not sure if you are looking to buy a Pressing Furnace, because we have a used Ivoclar EP 600 Combi for sale. It is in perfect condition and and works excellent, it's rarely used due to the fact we don't do a lot of pressing ( most of our restorations are milled). All the e-max Press & milled programs are pre set along with Empress. The reason we are selling is we're getting their new EP 5000/G2...See more
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Carlos Robayo, CDT · CARES Specialist Greater Los Angeles
Hello Joe, you should check VITA Vacumat 6000 MP pressing furnace, we use it to press eMax Press ingots, you can accommodate 100, 200 and larger rings. They have a self-calibrating feature and backed by strong quality and support from VITA/VIDENT. You will love it. In addition, the system is composed of the firing/pressing unit and a controller (similar to an iPad) so, let's say that you get the...See more
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John Isherwood · Corporate Communications Manager
Hi Joe. If we at Ivoclar Vivadent can be of any assistance, please feel free to contact Matt Finney at 1-800-533-6825 (ext. 2904). This is the time of year that we have some great savings in place. Best Regards.
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Jim Thacker · Vice President
we've always used Ivoclar ovens & presses to make over 30,000 e.max over the past couple of years. Its nice to not have to come up with "workarounds" or solutions to problems that do not exist with the Ivoclar equipment. It also helps to have the right equipment to handle the next generation of ingots that will be released soon.
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Debra Zerbe · President
Is anyone using the Dekema oven for pressing Emax. I need to buy new pressing furnace.but not sure of the brand yet.
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Dan O'Rourke · Owner, President
Hi Debra, I went through the struggles of finding the right oven about 3 years ago. I'm here to tell you that you can't go wrong with the EP5000. I'm at a conference in Las Vegas but will be back in my lab Monday if you have any questions please give me a call. 603-317-0014. This oven is as good as it gets, and you would not regret purchasing it.
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Matt Finney · Sales Representative
Debra / Joe,
We are running the best specials on ovens we do all year. Feel free to contact me (See John's post above) and I can either place you in touch with the appropriate rep or help you myself. Keep in mind that with the Section 179 Tax Break on equipment this year, you will get a substantial break when filing your taxes. I can certainly get anyone interested information on this...See more -
Victor Nin · Crown and Bridge Manager/Technician
I have here at work a Ney Creampress QEX.Looking to start doing e.max.Where do I order the starting kit/set?...please message me if any Ivoclar rep posts here.
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Joe P Forte cc: Matt Finney
Victor - look up Matt Finney - he posted above you! We've been doing Emax for about a year and a half now, and have found that Emax is currently about a 1/4 of our sales. Our docs love it and most are using it quite a bit!
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Victor Nin · Crown and Bridge Manager/Technician
Hey Matt,tried to contact the rep you recommended,but no answer from him yet.
I'll try again today.
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Joe P Forte · Owner
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Joe P Forte · Owner
I would like to hear from anyone changing metal prices on a daily or weekly basis to reflect the high prices we are paying....and/or just adding a surcharge on your lab bill? Thoughts?
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Maribeth Marsico · Senior Editor
Hi Joe, here's a link to an article we published in 2008. Although gold was "only" $1,000 an ounce back then, the billing strategies discussed in the article are still relevant. Hope it's helpful!
http://www.lmtmag.com//articles/432
Going, Going, GOLD
http://www.lmtmag.com//articles/240Rising steadily since 2001, the price of gold has soared to record highs this year, driven by the weak U.S. dollar and ongoing economic uncertainty. Two months ago, it reached a true milestone, hitting $1,000 an ounce on March 13.
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Joe P Forte · Owner
Thank you Maribeth - this was very helpful.
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Joe P Forte · Owner
Is anyone pressing Emax with an Optimal Autopress furnace, and if so, do you have any suggestions on pressing programs. Also, does anyone out there have suggestions on pressing furnaces expressly for Emax (other than the Ivoclar ovens - cost prohibitive).
François Berson, CDT likes this-
Alwyn Naraine, CDT · Manager/ Ceramist
Hi Joe, not sure if you are looking to buy a Pressing Furnace, because we have a used Ivoclar EP 600 Combi for sale. It is in perfect condition and and works excellent, it's rarely used due to the fact we don't do a lot of pressing ( most of our restorations are milled). All the e-max Press & milled programs are pre set along with Empress. The reason we are selling is we're getting their new EP 5000/G2...See more
Related: IPS Empress Esthetic -
Carlos Robayo, CDT · CARES Specialist Greater Los Angeles
Hello Joe, you should check VITA Vacumat 6000 MP pressing furnace, we use it to press eMax Press ingots, you can accommodate 100, 200 and larger rings. They have a self-calibrating feature and backed by strong quality and support from VITA/VIDENT. You will love it. In addition, the system is composed of the firing/pressing unit and a controller (similar to an iPad) so, let's say that you get the...See more
Related: VITA Vacumat 6000 M and IPS e.max Press Impulse Ingots -
John Isherwood · Corporate Communications Manager
Hi Joe. If we at Ivoclar Vivadent can be of any assistance, please feel free to contact Matt Finney at 1-800-533-6825 (ext. 2904). This is the time of year that we have some great savings in place. Best Regards.
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Jim Thacker · Vice President
we've always used Ivoclar ovens & presses to make over 30,000 e.max over the past couple of years. Its nice to not have to come up with "workarounds" or solutions to problems that do not exist with the Ivoclar equipment. It also helps to have the right equipment to handle the next generation of ingots that will be released soon.
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Debra Zerbe · President
Is anyone using the Dekema oven for pressing Emax. I need to buy new pressing furnace.but not sure of the brand yet.
Thoughts please -
Dan O'Rourke · Owner, President
Hi Debra, I went through the struggles of finding the right oven about 3 years ago. I'm here to tell you that you can't go wrong with the EP5000. I'm at a conference in Las Vegas but will be back in my lab Monday if you have any questions please give me a call. 603-317-0014. This oven is as good as it gets, and you would not regret purchasing it.
Related: Programat EP5000 Press Furnace -
Matt Finney · Sales Representative
Debra / Joe,
We are running the best specials on ovens we do all year. Feel free to contact me (See John's post above) and I can either place you in touch with the appropriate rep or help you myself. Keep in mind that with the Section 179 Tax Break on equipment this year, you will get a substantial break when filing your taxes. I can certainly get anyone interested information on this...See more -
Victor Nin · Crown and Bridge Manager/Technician
I have here at work a Ney Creampress QEX.Looking to start doing e.max.Where do I order the starting kit/set?...please message me if any Ivoclar rep posts here.
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Joe P Forte cc: Matt Finney
Victor - look up Matt Finney - he posted above you! We've been doing Emax for about a year and a half now, and have found that Emax is currently about a 1/4 of our sales. Our docs love it and most are using it quite a bit!
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Victor Nin · Crown and Bridge Manager/Technician
Hey Matt,tried to contact the rep you recommended,but no answer from him yet.
I'll try again today.
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Joe P Forte · Owner
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Joe P Forte · Owner
This is a great idea - but Wow - the picture editing is seriously confusing! Half of my picture up there is the best I can do! Looking forward to having a network of other lab owners/workers to hear from!
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Joe P Forte · Owner
I would like to hear from anyone changing metal prices on a daily or weekly basis to reflect the high prices we are paying....and/or just adding a surcharge on your lab bill? Thoughts?
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Maribeth Marsico · Senior Editor
Hi Joe, here's a link to an article we published in 2008. Although gold was "only" $1,000 an ounce back then, the billing strategies discussed in the article are still relevant. Hope it's helpful!
http://www.lmtmag.com//articles/432 Going, Going, GOLD
http://www.lmtmag.com//articles/240Rising steadily since 2001, the price of gold has soared to record highs this year, driven by the weak U.S. dollar and ongoing economic uncertainty. Two months ago, it reached a true milestone, hitting $1,000 an ounce on March 13.
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Joe P Forte · Owner
Thank you Maribeth - this was very helpful.
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